22 September 2006

Happy Anniversary Of The Creation Of The World

It's Arev Rosh Hashonah and we've got 14 people coming to the house tomorrow, so I might be a little scarce. Here's a typically pompous and overly earnest comment from BrothersJudd to tide you over:
Oh, where to start...

In the beginning...

People of faith believe that there are two paths to knowledge: through perception and through faith. I know that there is a computer on my desk. I know that G-d exists. Materialists believe that the only path to true knowledge is through perception, and that the existence of my computer is a fact because I directly perceive it, while G-d's existence is not a fact because faith is not a legitimate path to knowledge. To people of faith, this attempt to give to perception a privileged position unattainable by faith is startling. It is as if a deaf man insisted that sound did not exist because he could not see it, or a blind man insisted that color did not exist because he could not smell it.

In practice, of course, no one insists that only those things that are directly perceived can be known. If enough people say that they have gone to Yellowstone and have seen hot water shooting out of the ground every hour or so, we accept that as a fact, despite not having perceived it, or anything like it, ourselves. The blind and the deaf accept that sight and hearing exist, because so many others tell them so, and much that they do perceive is otherwise inexplicable.

And yet the materialist, living amidst billions who claim to have perceived Truth through faith, living next to the sometimes quite concrete testimony of dead billions more, and living with the otherwise inexplicable mystery of the Beginning of material existence, insist that only their senses count and that if they cannot perceive access faith, it cannot exist. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Yet, that is not entirely their fault.

Once a fact is known -- that G-d exists, or that He created the Earth, or that fossils have been found of animals that do not currently exist -- all we have with which to deal with that fact is our reason. Here is the tricky part even for those who accept faith as a means of cognition: what role does faith play in the manipulation of facts, regardless of how they are known. The answers to this question are all over the lot. Some believe the Bible to be the inerrent Word of G-d, accepting six days, Eve from Adam's rib, a great flood and the loaves and the fishes as a report of what would have been directly perceived, if they had been present to witness events. Others see G-d as starter, setting the race in motion but otherwise uninvolved. The majority take the most difficult route to justify, as we pick and choose between faith and perception. If a blind man heard such disparate reports of a sunset, he too might doubt sight, although he would be equally wrong.

Here we sit, then, with each side by now too wedded to its conclusions to allow for constructive reasoned discourse. Is there a path out of the morass? Probably not, but I'm willing to give it a (necessarily solipsistic) try.

There are certain things that both faith and reason tell me. I exist. Existence had a beginning. Reason can tell me nothing about conditions prior to the beginning of existence. My faith, perception, knowledge and reasoning are limited and imperfect.

What, then, can I conclude from these truths. First, that I can conclude nothing with certainty. The fact of my existence is the only certain fact available to me. Second, that both faith and reason push me to conclude (by which I can only mean "act as if") all the rest of you are sentient beings such as I am (though logic, of course, pushes the other way). Third, that both faith and reason push us to conclude (see above) that the physical world exists as we perceive it (though logic, again, pushes the other way). Fourth, that we can know is only a vague shadow of true existence; that all knowledge is but a metaphor that helps us navigate the unseen depths.

Each of us carries in our brain a model of the world. When we drive somewhere, or give directions, we are navigating our own model of the world. When we act in a particular way in order to cause another to respond as desired, we are navigating our own model of the world. When we add 2 to 2, we are navigating our own model of the world. When we plan for the future, we are navigating our own model of the world. When we worship or research, we are navigating our own model of the world. Every decision we make, every action we take, is made or taken -- not in the real world -- but in our model world. New knowledge comes only when the reality and our model diverge, at which point the model should change, but often doesn't.

Each of us has a model, and each model diverges from every other model to a greater or lesser extent. Models tend to be more alike within families, tribes or nations than between those groups. Some are more rigid than others, some more supple. But each model perceives reality though a slightly different lens. Different models can thus give us different insights into the nature of reality.

Perception and reason are inherently limited and flawed. They can see only part of the truth, and thus faith need not justify itself to reason. But, humans being humans, faith and knowledge are also limited. Each can give only part of the picture or, rather, a different picture of true existence. The one great advantage of faith, though, is that is requies acceptance that Truth exists outside of reality. To use Godel's model, faith is the statement that knows that it cannot be proved. Reason is "2+2=4", which believes itself to be true beyond proof. Reason denies its own model.

This is the rock on which the materialist falters. The materialist demands that only those things that can be perceived exist, but reason does not go so far. Reason also insists that atoms, say, existed before they could be perceived. The materialist must, therefore accept that those things exist that are capable of being perceived under the proper conditions, regardless of whether they are actually perceived. In other words, the materialist must punt on existence, substituting his model for perception -- exactly the crime of which he accuses the faithful.

Posted by: David Cohen at March 4, 2005 12:12 PM

4 comments:

Brit said...

Well, it would sure help out us faithless heathen, or "God-blind" people, if you lot could agree about what it is you all know. The Hindus are especially confusing.

But anyway, have a great party, ya nut.

Hey Skipper said...

People of faith believe that there are two paths to knowledge: through perception and through faith.

I don't think that is quite correct. First, you have restricted this belief to those of faith, when it clearly applies to everyone; second, you illustrate the term "knowledge" without really coming to terms with the concept.

I assert that knowledge is a relative term, and is a function of the ability to discern between mutually exclusive statements on a given subject.

The inverse of knowledge is ignorance -- the inability to discern between competing statements.

It counts as knowledge to state a computer exists on your desk because any competing statement (there isn't a computer; there are three; what looks like a computer is a duck) because the relative truth values of the competing statements are amenable to observation, and are eminently repeatable by anyone else who views your desk.

(BTW -- it matters not here if our perceptions are a suitably accurate reflection of objective reality, or we are all brains in a vat, or if you are just a simulacrum of my solipsistic imagination)

Faith, the inverse of knowledge, is simply the euphemism for total ignorance. As such, it is impossible to distinguish between competing Faith statements.

To people of faith, this attempt to give to perception a privileged position unattainable by faith is startling. It is as if a deaf man insisted that sound did not exist because he could not see it ...

Your analogy is backwards. Faith is as if all people have always been deaf, and are, despite that, defining sound. There is no reason, other than sheer accident, to expect any definition to be correct, and no ability to decide whether one definition is closer to the unknowable truth than any other.

And yet the materialist, living amidst billions who claim to have perceived Truth through faith ... and living with the otherwise inexplicable mystery of the Beginning of material existence, insist that only their senses count and that if they cannot perceive access faith, it cannot exist. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Which Truth? Which explanation of the beginning of material existence? There are none so blind as those who refuse to acknowledge they cannot see.


Perception and reason are inherently limited and flawed. They can see only part of the truth, and thus faith need not justify itself to reason. But, humans being humans, faith and knowledge are also limited. Each can give only part of the picture or, rather, a different picture of true existence. The one great advantage of faith, though, is that is requies acceptance that Truth exists outside of reality.

Taking Faith as ignorance, Faith needs to justify itself to the only coherent answer available: dunno.

This is the rock on which the materialist falters. The materialist demands that only those things that can be perceived exist, but reason does not go so far. Reason also insists that atoms, say, existed before they could be perceived. The materialist must, therefore accept that those things exist that are capable of being perceived under the proper conditions, regardless of whether they are actually perceived.

No. The materialist demands that we can only say anything conclusively about those things we can perceive, to the extent we can perceive them. The materialist accepts there are things that exist that are, whether momentarily or permanently, beyond our perception.

That makes them also beyond conclusion.

Reason is not a subset of Faith. Reason is the inverse of Faith. After all, there is some objectively true set of statements about the universe. If humans were to know them all, then humans would become materialists.

But in the absence of that knowledge, we have Reason and Ignorance.

Faith is what people concoct when they can't stand the thought of "dunno."

David said...

Jeff: I don't know what you mean when you say "it clearly applies to everyone." For a moment, I thought you were accepting that faith is a means of cognition, but that's clearly not it. Are you saying that people without faith can still know things through faith? Sure they can, that's a central tenet of Judaism and Christianity. But that still doesn't mean that they believe that they can know things through faith alone.

The whole "there are multiple views of G-d, so any particular view of G-d -- and even the very claim to have knowledge about G-d -- is illegitimate" line of argument is misplaced. While this line of thinking is not infinitely malleable, all believers accept that G-d appears to us in various guises (a burning bush, a thunderous voice, a baby, a double helix, etc.).

Now, what are we to make of those who refuse to accept the testimony of billions that there is a cause outside nature?

Hey Skipper said...

Peter:

Absolutely no harm in asserting, provided you accept the implications of starting an argument with a self-generated a priori assertion.

I could have phrased that a little better, but my assertion is nothing more than demonstrating that viewing Reason as a subset of, or dependent upon, Faith is wrong. Reason/Knowledge and Faith/Ignorance are the inverse of each other. To the extent one can distinguish the relative truth value of competing statements, one is dealing in knowledge; to the extent this is impossible, one is dealing in Faith.

Using knowledge of the Q'uran, it is possible to discern between various statements regarding the violence inherent in Islam, to decide whether Karen Armstrong's or Robert Spencer's assessments are more true.

However, it is completely impossible to discern the truth value between statements asserting Allah's existence, or lack thereof, because those statements rest wholly in the realm of Faith, which is to say, Ignorance.

In other words, I assert that you cannot make a Faith statement whose truth value is discernible from a completely contradictory Faith statement, which is what you must do to vitiate my assertion.

Which bears upon it matters not here if our perceptions are a suitably accurate reflection of objective reality, or we are all brains in a vat, or if you are just a simulacrum of my solipsistic imagination. There is some set of objectively true statements about the universe. Let's assume you learn them all. For you there would be no such thing as Faith, and you would view the Faith statements of the knowledge challenged as exercises in ignorance.

David:

I don't know what you mean when you say "it clearly applies to everyone."

Jet lag is not my friend. If I were to have typed clearly, and ordered my thoughts better, I would have said that everyone deals at least partially in the realm of Faith, for there are many decisions we make that are completely based upon knowledge; we rarely deal with known consequences, but rather with greater or lesser expectations.

That is not the same, however, as "knowing things through faith." No one ever knows anything through faith. All Faith assertions are indistinguishable from all other competing assertions; there is absolutely no basis for preferring one Faith assertion over another. This is what makes Faith the inverse of Reason, to say Faith is superior to Reason is to prefer ignorance to knowledge.

Before anyone's hackles raise, who wouldn't prefer the sudden, widespread, knowledge of whether the Bible or the Q'uran is true (presuming either is)?

Now, what are we to make of those who refuse to accept the testimony of billions that there is a cause outside nature?

That they are relatively immune to exercises in wish fulfillment?

Okay, that is a bit snarky. More appropriately, you might have asked what are we to make of those billions who accept that there is a cause outside of nature, then go on to erect convoluted edifices based upon total ignorance?