tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32636283.post3526679539355353873..comments2023-03-26T03:50:25.501-04:00Comments on David's Secret Blog: Wha...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32636283.post-74010734760481522282007-03-03T12:00:00.000-05:002007-03-03T12:00:00.000-05:00Sorry the link won't work.Sorry the link won't work.erphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09826044412670324694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32636283.post-73293415886100234372007-03-03T11:58:00.000-05:002007-03-03T11:58:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.erphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09826044412670324694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32636283.post-33033913250234083932007-03-03T11:54:00.000-05:002007-03-03T11:54:00.000-05:00They sure were there for us to pull their chestnut...They sure were there for us to pull their chestnuts out of the fire ... twice. Somehow I don't think there'll be a third time to be the charm. Listen to Enrico Caruso tell it like it is. <BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.firstworldwar.com/audio/Enrico%20Caruso%20%20Over%20There.mp3" REL="nofollow">Over There</A><BR/><BR/>Chorus:<BR/><BR/>Over there, over there,<BR/>Send the word, send the word over there -<BR/>That the Yanks are coming,<BR/>The Yanks are coming,<BR/>The drums rum-tumming<BR/>Ev'rywhere.<BR/>So prepare, say a pray'r,<BR/>Send the word, send the word to beware.<BR/>We'll be over, we're coming over,<BR/>And we won't come back till it's over<BR/>Over there.erphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09826044412670324694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32636283.post-78691581472498324612007-03-03T01:44:00.000-05:002007-03-03T01:44:00.000-05:00Having spent a fair amount of time in NATO (ending...Having spent a fair amount of time in NATO (ending just after the USSR did), I can say this about the continued existence of NATO ...<BR/><BR/>Umm. Errr.<BR/><BR/>Works better than the EU.Hey Skipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10798930502187234974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32636283.post-33102676953144752382007-03-02T18:31:00.000-05:002007-03-02T18:31:00.000-05:00David - Yes, Nato is almost worthless. Its value,...David - Yes, Nato is almost worthless. Its value, though small, could be positive. I'm not knowledgeable enough to judge such things.<BR/><BR/>But I do know that no politician has an incentive to be the one who breaks NATO. If its value becomes negative, US politicians will just de-emphasize it, make it a shell. NATO could break eventually, but not until the US clearly has enemies in Europe again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32636283.post-34441081032795256092007-03-01T17:42:00.000-05:002007-03-01T17:42:00.000-05:00David, isn't the continued existence of NATO part ...David, isn't the continued existence of NATO part of the same worldview that you claim will continue to compel the U.S. to involve itself in the M.E., even if we no longer need their oil ?<BR/><BR/>It's about being the world cop to A) prove how powerful we are, and B) discourage others from feeling a need to expend the resources necessary to be a military rival to the U.S.<BR/><BR/>Based on the present state of the militaries in the advanced Euro nations, B) has worked brilliantly.<BR/><BR/>A) has worked as well, despite the negativism of the world's nattering nabobs.<BR/><BR/>A clear and permanent victory in Iraq and/or Afghanistan would be smashing, but it surely hasn't escaped the notice of the world's rulers, (as it apparently has of the world's chattering classes), that both Saddam and the Taliban were defeated in less than a month, and despite ongoing hostilities, neither were able to regain power.<BR/><BR/>A "loss" for America in either place will not result in "victory" for the Ba'athists or the Taliban, and so the conflicts are effective in serving notice to the world that throwing down with America will be fatal for whomever dares to do so, regardless of whatever might later happen to the U.S.Oroboroushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01710250012500728430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32636283.post-50366584254815738662007-03-01T12:29:00.001-05:002007-03-01T12:29:00.001-05:00To put it differently, isn't OJ right that India a...To put it differently, isn't OJ right that India and Israel and Turkey and the Emirates are more important to us than Europe?Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16902329503560660425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32636283.post-82844317527866840572007-03-01T12:29:00.000-05:002007-03-01T12:29:00.000-05:00Peter: Better Estonia than some other European na...Peter: Better Estonia than some other European nations.<BR/><BR/>PJ describes the flaw here better than I did. To American eyes, the simultaneous description of fundamental European differences (Germany will not come to the aid of eastern Europe if Russia starts throwing its weight around) and of European unity is incoherent. I wonder if it is less incoherent to Europeans? <BR/><BR/>But I still don't know what NATO is for these days. When Europe was threatened by Communist invasion, defending Europe made sense. It also made some sense to be military involved in Europe so long as it seemed inevitable that we would get dragged into a European land war. That day seems to be past now. If France and Germany went to war now, would we get involved?Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16902329503560660425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32636283.post-2349559425521319232007-03-01T11:21:00.000-05:002007-03-01T11:21:00.000-05:00And you think that haven't already decided that?And you think that haven't already decided that?Susan's Husbandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02862667802025231163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32636283.post-90477840306553797822007-03-01T10:59:00.000-05:002007-03-01T10:59:00.000-05:00They are imagining a hierarchical world, in which ...They are imagining a hierarchical world, in which European countries and peoples have relations only with the EU, and the EU is the only entity in Europe that has relations with outsiders. As a result, the pro-American views of Eastern Europeans can only influence relations of their countries with America if the pro-Americans can take over the EU. But since anti-American views are the majority, they cannot, and the EU will be anti-American. Since the EU is the only entity in Europe with foreign relations, Europe as a whole will perforce be anti-American.<BR/><BR/>Of course what this misses is that the world is not organized hierarchically, Europeans below the level of the EU are able to have relationships with Americans, and the EU Commission can obtain hegemony over Euro-American relations only through totalitarian coercion. Ultimately, the Euros will have to decide between the existence of some cooperative relationships with Americans, and totalitarianism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com